jon, if there is any is that business and consumer confidence is up in the euro zone. some studies are showing, and basically the market turmoil has sort of calmed down, but still the labor markets are really the drain on the situation now, and with bank lending down precipitously there is talk that the european central bank may need to come up with some new measures to stimulate economy, possibly loring interest rates. they are having a rate-setting meeting this thursday. jon: and i'm guessing their actual unemployment rate is a lot higher than the 11.8% that -- >> that is an average across the block, jon, so it's lower in some countries, and as you see really high in places like spain, and youth unemployment, crazy 50% in places like greece. jon: wow, let's hope that is not a glimpse into our future. amy kellogg, thanks. jenna: a new flare-up of violence between new nuclear armed countries. india accusing pakistan of killing two of its soldiers while on patrol near the highly disputed region of kashmir. this comes two days after a fight in which pakistan claims one o